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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!news.apana.org.au!cantor.edge.net.au!news.teragen.com.au!news.access.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.thenet.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!199.232.240.7!kayrad.ziplink.net!rtfm.ziplink.net!mi From: mi@rtfm.ziplink.net (Mikhail Teterin) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: no such thing as a "general user community" Date: 27 Mar 1997 15:30:01 GMT Organization: Aldan at Newton Upper Falls Lines: 41 Message-ID: <5he3pp$8ms$2@kayrad.ziplink.net> References: <331BB7DD.28EC@net5.net> <5g9hjp$api@flea.best.net> <5gmb58$6jd$1@news.clinet.fi> <5gn3ig$83d@flea.best.net> <5goqrq$5ak$1@news.clinet.fi> <5hd29s$e7t@fido.asd.sgi.com> Reply-To: mi@ALDAN.ziplink.net..remove-after-`net' NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.232.255.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:37837 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:6473 comp.sys.sgi.misc:29438 Honorable Larry McVoy wrote on 27 Mar (in article <5hd29s$e7t@fido.asd.sgi.com>): =File & VM system latencies in microseconds - smaller is better =-------------------------------------------------------------- =Host OS 0K File 10K File Mmap Prot Page = Create Delete Create Delete Latency Fault Fault =--------- ------------- ------ ------ ------ ------ ------- ----- ----- =P5-133 FreeBSD 2.2-C 2857 1123 4000 3225 133 -1 0.0K =R10K IRIX64 6.2-no 374 389 353 387 55 -1 21.5K =About a factor of 10. The R10K is 2x the perf of the P5 but the FreeBSD =system is sitting idle waiting for the desk. An infinitely fast CPU =wouldn't help. From what I can see, this demonstrates the superiority of hardware, rather then OS. We don't even see what kind of disk/adapter was used on the machines (IDE? :) FreeBSD's ccd-driver used over same several disks increases the speed nearly linear... And look! For MMap it is only 2.+ times worse! Make it a PPro-200 with 512 cache and SGI will loose this... =Don't get me wrong. I think free software is great. I think Matt is =one smart cookie, I'd love to hire him. Ditto for the FreeBSD team. =But make no mistake there is more to an OS than a simple minded file =system or a context switch. SGI's OS scales to 100s of CPUs, supports =more devices, and has more stuff that people with $$$ want. This is =serious software with serious people working on it. Do you want IRIX for =a desktop to read news? Hell no, install Linux or FreeBSD or whatever =on your 386 and you are done. If you have real work to do you may find =that you have to pay for your tools. Not that I disagree competely, but the free Unices are stepping on Big Vendors... -mi -- "Windows for dummies"