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From: dillon@flea.best.net (Matt Dillon)
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux or FreeBSD (or something else?)
Date: 4 Apr 1997 18:54:35 -0800
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:In article <5i47g8$eat@xmission.xmission.com>,
: <klaus@xmission.com@editme.first> wrote:
:>In comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Matt Dillon <dillon@flea.best.net> wrote:
:>> NT is basically a piece of shit, as is windows 95... but microsoft has
:>> the marketing power and user base to impose it on the rest of the world
:>> and most people do not know any better.
:>
:><Schnip>
:>
:...
:>> What is so frightening about this whole thing is that most people
:>> *actually* *believe* the crap microsoft is spewing out. Everything
:>> microsoft puts out is second-rate and second-class, but most people
:>> seem to believe that it's first-rate and first-class because it's
:>> the only thing they are exposed to.
:>
:>Well.. I started programming for Un*x systems in 1981. I've earned my
:>living writing software for SunOS, RT-11, RSX11M+, VMS, DOS, VxWorks,
:>Irix, Ultrix, Solaris, BSD4.{1,2,3}, WinNT3.5 and 4.0, etc etc.. Your
:>opinion gave me the best laugh I've had in a long time. Thanks. Each
:>OS has strengths and weaknesses, and discarding any one of them as a
:>"piece of shit" when you've obviously never studied the internals
:>merely limits your ability... and earning potential.
:>
:>pot, kettle, black
:>
:>Following this thread amazes me to no end. Is this what the CS
:>departments of today are turning out? If people 20 years ago had had
:...
Let me answer simply by pointing to one line in your response:
:>merely limits your ability... and earning potential.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Indeed, and what do you think the effect of 'marketing power and user base'
has? It's how the above sort of statement is born: building a life
based on monetary need rather then on making a better future for one's
children, profession, or humanity in general. Notice that I did *not* say
greed there. Microsoft is greedy, but most programmers are not. It is
unfortunate that most of the job pool tries so hard to follow the money...
the easy path will never earn a person more money then other, more
difficult paths. You do not have to be an NT or W95 programmer to make
a lot of money.
Also, you seem to be equating me with some poor programming dweeb straight
out of a CS course, then basing your argument on that misconception.
That's pretty funny.... I don't know the last time someone had that
perception of me.
Both NT and W95 and (W3.1 before then, and MSDOS before that...) are junk,
plain and simple. 80% garbage and 20% guts, and I wouldn't choose
to program in that medium if I had to begger myself (which I don't,
fortunately!).
-Matt
:>-klaus