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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!metro!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news.mira.net.au!inquo!nntp.uio.no!newsfeeds.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!world6.bellatlantic.net!newsin.iconnet.net!news.rochester.ican.net!macwhiz From: macwhiz@phoebe.accinet.net (Rob Levandowski) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Cheap ISDN solutions [was: What's the state of ISDN support?] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:33:44 -0400 Organization: ACC iNet (from ACC Long Distance) Lines: 47 Message-ID: <macwhiz-ya023680001704971233440001@news.accinet.net> References: <33303AE2.503C@cmr.no> <5gqhjt$k3t$1@gail.ripco.com><333226A6.ABD322C@FreeBSD.org> <5hqooq$gtn@ui-gate.utell.co.uk><33423F01.167EB0E7@net-tel.co.uk><5hvtj8$e44@ui-gate.utell.co.uk> <139@fridaycs.win-uk.net> <861220198.962@dejanews.com> <5j5efb$qjv@news.mel.aone.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: powerbook.accinet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.6 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:39260 In article <5j5efb$qjv@news.mel.aone.net.au>, nigel@palms.nq.net (Nigel Gorry) wrote: > In article <861220198.962@dejanews.com>, b13c54v@cpslsops.bell-atl.com wrote: > >You know Jordon, > >People like you who use centrex and ISDN the way you do are going to > >eventually over burden an already taxed local telephone telephone network > >and drive ISDN costs up for everybody else. Do you know what kind of > >burden you place on the network when you leave a line up 24 hours a day > >not to mention the added burden of ISDN. And then you are irresponsible > >enough to encourage the whole world to do the same thing by posting your > >comments on the internet. That is a very shortsighted attitude. > > Who's short sighted? If the telcos can't cope with everyone having permanent > connections in the future, then they won't last many more years... > > Nearly every ISP in Australia uses a permanent ISDN link - that's what they > are there for... I have to agree. I work for a telecom company, running their ISP, and my personal belief is that permanent connections are the way of the future. I think that the local telecom providers have to realize this and find a way to deal with it. The cable television companies have a big edge in that way right now. The hybrid fiber-coax network used by modern cable TV networks is excellent for providing wide-area high-speed networking, and having "nailed up" connections makes no difference. The topology is more like Ethernet, and doesn't have the problems associated with a switched network. I can see the possibility that local telcos may want to string their own HFC networks to handle data traffic, simply because it's a far superior architecture for the job. It may not be perfect, mind you, but it's a heck of a lot better than switched unshielded (un)twisted copper pairs. Myself, I don't leave my ISDN nailed up, but the connect speed between the routers is such that I really don't notice. It might as well be nailed up for all intents and purposes. Still seeking multi-LUN SCSI help, Rob -- Robert Levandowski Internet Systems Analyst ACC iNet / ACC Long Distance Corp. robl@phoebe.accinet.net