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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.org>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Good GOD, I'm ****ed!
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:25:00 -0700
Organization: Walnut Creek CDROM
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Immortal wrote:
> After booting into the FreeBSD 2.2.1 on (d2), 3 time, its MBR migrated over
> to our (d1) rendering our (d1) useless!  Yes, MIRGRATE is the proper word!

No, "impossible" is the proper word. :-)

Something may have happened to this drive, but "MBR migration" is not
one of those things - MBRs, to quote Monty Python, do not migrate.

Perhaps Windows 95 has some sort of "auto MBR migration" feature in
which it explicitly copies such date over without asking you, but I
seriously doubt it.  Even the boys in Redmond rarely screw the pooch
with that much enthusiasm.

In any case, short of this or cosmic intervention (in which case you're
****ed anyway since you will, no doubt, soon meet with a bizarre and
fatal accident ["Craziest thing I ever saw!  A cow, falling out of
nowhere, smashed this poor man flat as he was crossing the street!"])
there's simply no way for this hypothesis to be true.

> We tring FDISK /MBR using a WIN95 / WINNT4 / DOS 4 / etc boot disk to try
> to get back into our (d1) IDE drive but everything FAILED!

That definitely points to another problem then.  ``FDISK /MBR'' *will*
nuke the MBR back to a non-bootmanager state, I know as I've used it for
this purpose many times and the only time it failed is when the drive
was phyically damaged. :-)

> DRIVE NOT READY
> 
> And other drive ERROR messages.

Sounds like you simply lost a drive to me, fella.  They *do* do that
occasionally, you know. We probably lose around 3 a year around here, on
average.

> After 4 days of trying to get into (d1), the primary IDE drive, and
> failing, we sent the drive away and spent over $1,300 dollars on DATA
> RECOVERY!

Sounds like you did exactly what you needed to do (and may need to do
again if another drive dies on you and you're fortunate enough to have
the failure be non-pathological enough to recover this way).

> ...auto-migrating MBR  [glitch / virus / one-time problem / ????] you pick
> it and beware!

This amounts to spreading misinformation, I hate to say.  I have been
doing this for almost 4 years now and I have *NEVER* seen a single
instance of an MBR deciding that it's cold and it's time to migrate
south.  Never, not one single time.  What I have seen at least *several
dozen times*, however, is drive failures inducing all manner of bizarre
errors.  These were hardware failures, they came with no warning
whatsoever and, yes, it was occasionally the boot blocks that got
toasted first.  Sometimes the damage isn't even obvious since drive
electronics can go too, not just the physical media or head transport
mechanisms.
-- 
- Jordan Hubbard
  FreeBSD core team / Walnut Creek CDROM.