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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!nntp.uio.no!news.kth.se!tybalt.admin.kth.se!merope.saaf.se!electra.saaf.se!not-for-mail From: gorhas@electra.saaf.se (G|ran Hasse) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: FreeBSD development question Date: 20 May 1997 00:28:59 +0200 Organization: Svensk Amat|rAstronomisk F|rening Lines: 57 Message-ID: <5lqk7b$mo0@electra.saaf.se> References: <337F43DC.371@xxsnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: electra.saaf.se Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:41235 In article <337F43DC.371@xxsnet.net>, Sonya and Jeffrey Metcalf <metcalf@XXsnet.net> wrote: >Hello, > >This question may be more suited to a general UNIX development >newsgroup, but since I would be using FreeBSD, I thoght I would >post here. > >I would like to get into some more serious software development on >FreeBSD, but I need to learn some of the basics. For now, I was >wondering how some of the complex makefiles I see in the FreeBSD >ports are generated. Does the developer actually do this by hand? >That is, is the developer just an expert in the pseudo-language >of makefiles? Or is there some king of ascii-based or GUI development >tool available for UNIX that generates makefiles based on compiling >options and the like? I would really be surprised if makefile >generation is done totally by hand, since it seems so mundane and you >don't really "seem" to learn alot from doing it. It would seem to >me to almost certainly be a process that can be automated. Noop.. sorry! I have NEVER seen a GUI development tool that can match the stuff done by a "real" programmer! Sometimes there is tools to be able to write the content of a makefile in a more compact way - but to do very sofisticated things you have to be sofisticted... Have you ever seen an operating system made in Visual Basic? >Also, does anyone know of any integrated development environments >for UNIX (FreeBSD) that would closely approximate some of the >capabilities of the Borland C++ Builder or the Borland Delphi >development environments? Hopefully these questions are good ones. The fact is that Borland C++ and Borland Delphi are toys in many respect. You can do "simple" programs (for showing at a computer fair) but serious tings have to bee done the "hard" way. GH >Thank You, > >JM >-- >Sonya and Jeffrey Metcalf >metcalf@XXsnet.net >(Please remove the nospam XX above for e-mail replies) >http://ruddles.stat.uconn.edu/~jeff -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Göran Hasse gh@saaf.se Tel: +46 8 7730148 Raditex AB http://www.raditex.se Fax: +46 8 7730902 Kungsgatan 71 Minicall: 0740-167443 112 27 STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN