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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!uunet!in3.uu.net!206.154.70.8!news.webspan.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!unlisys!cs.tu-berlin.de!news.uni-hamburg.de!news.Hanse.DE!wavehh.hanse.de!cracauer From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Subject: Re: Emacs META? Message-ID: <1997Jun22.174630.17065@wavehh.hanse.de> Reply-To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Organization: '(a (cons tructive organization)) References: <5oh1va$mcq@lace.colorado.edu> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 97 17:46:30 GMT Lines: 389 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:43307 mittonk@fiske.Colorado.EDU (Ken Mitton) writes: >I'm switching over from Linux, and am trying to get Emacs running. >Currently, everything works except Alt won't work as Meta >as in Linux (I'm using character-mode). Looked at the keyboard >maps, but couldn't figure out how to make, for example, >alt-x sent esc,x. Any suggestions? Here's a relevant discussion. See below for a new keyboard map file to load into syscons. Alternativly, pcvt with Meta option works just great for me. From lutzifer!blizzard.gaffaneys.com!zach Thu Oct 10 08:52:55 1996 Return-Path: <lutzifer!blizzard.gaffaneys.com!zach> Received: from lutzifer.UUCP by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29333; Thu, 10 Oct 96 08:52:53 +0200 Received: from bedrock.gaffaneys.com [134.129.252.27] by mail.hanse.de with smtp for <cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de> id <m0vBDZ6-0004fBC@mail.hanse.de>; Thu, 10 Oct 96 06:21 MET Received: (from zach@localhost) by bedrock.gaffaneys.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA01905; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:22:36 -0500 (CDT) Sender: zach@blizzard.gaffaneys.com To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Alt/Meta-Key problems/ pty problem? References: <9610091039.AA13572@wavehh.hanse.de> From: Zach Heilig <zach@blizzard.gaffaneys.com> Date: 10 Oct 1996 00:22:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de's message of Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:39:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <87buebv1et.fsf@bedrock.gaffaneys.com> Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Status: RO cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) writes: > I noticed that the Alt-(Meta) Key for emacs doesn't work with > FreeBSD. This happens since at least 2.0.5 and still is a problem on > 0801-Snap. This works with NetBSD. Works fine for me, now that I figured out what was wrong. You need this line in your .emacs file: (set-input-mode t nil t) or something like it. type 'C-Hdset-input-mode' for documentation. It should be the first line, or if you're like me and start typing before the editor has completely loaded, you'll notice some nasty side-effects. The other thing you have to do is copy and modify the appropriate keyboard definition file in /usr/share/syscons/keymaps. All the entries under an 'Alt' header need to have the 8th bit set. I have a keyboard definition file I can mail those who want it, but it isn't quite like any of the others (ctrl-alt-delete is mapped to Meta-DEL, for instance). -- Zach Heilig (zach@blizzard.gaffaneys.com) | ALL unsolicited commercial email Support bacteria -- it's the | is unwelcome. I avoid dealing only culture some people have! | with companies that email ads. From lutzifer!time.cdrom.com!jkh Thu Oct 10 05:00:24 1996 Return-Path: <lutzifer!time.cdrom.com!jkh> Received: from lutzifer.UUCP by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29511; Thu, 10 Oct 96 05:00:17 +0200 Received: from time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226] by mail.hanse.de with smtp for <cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de> id <m0vB7Xi-0004fBC@mail.hanse.de>; Wed, 9 Oct 96 23:55 MET Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA24032; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:54:04 -0700 (PDT) To: Chuck Robey <chuckr@glue.umd.edu> Cc: Brant Katkansky <bmk@fta.com>, Mark Diekhans <markd@grizzly.com>, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Alt/Meta-Key problems/ pty problem? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 09 Oct 1996 18:37:31 EDT." <Pine.OSF.3.95.961009183645.8401G-100000@thurston.eng.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 15:54:04 -0700 Message-Id: <24030.844901644@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> Status: RO > Not particularly hard to do with X ... do a 'man xmodmap'. It tells how > to do key remapping. I think we've wandered off topic - the original post dealt with the META key not being enabled by default under syscons, and I think we should stick with that issue until it's resolved before going on to X. :-) Jordan From lutzifer!glue.umd.edu!chuckr Thu Oct 10 05:00:19 1996 Return-Path: <lutzifer!glue.umd.edu!chuckr> Received: from lutzifer.UUCP by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29503; Thu, 10 Oct 96 05:00:16 +0200 Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45] by mail.hanse.de with smtp for <cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de> id <m0vB7G4-0004fCC@mail.hanse.de>; Wed, 9 Oct 96 23:37 MET Received: from thurston.eng.umd.edu (thurston.eng.umd.edu [129.2.103.25]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05554; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by thurston.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08899; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:37:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: thurston.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey <chuckr@glue.umd.edu> X-Sender: chuckr@thurston.eng.umd.edu To: Brant Katkansky <bmk@fta.com> Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>, Mark Diekhans <markd@grizzly.com>, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Alt/Meta-Key problems/ pty problem? In-Reply-To: <325C0934.24AE@fta.com> Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961009183645.8401G-100000@thurston.eng.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Brant Katkansky wrote: > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > Meta-keys for curses emacs are 8-bit characters. By default, syscons doesn't > > > generate them for the alt key. The kbdcontrol control command can be used > > > > Is THAT why. I, for one, would love to see it do that by Default! > > > > This is sort of related... > > I'd love to be able to change the key mappings under XFree86 so > that my function keys behave like the L? keys on my Sun. > > I've figured out how to do this under Solaris x86, but I can't > get it to fly under FreeBSD. > > Any suggestions? Not particularly hard to do with X ... do a 'man xmodmap'. It tells how to do key remapping. > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From lutzifer!fta.com!bmk Wed Oct 9 23:46:02 1996 Return-Path: <lutzifer!fta.com!bmk> Received: from lutzifer.UUCP by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15618; Wed, 9 Oct 96 23:46:00 +0200 Received: from fta.com [205.139.102.1] by mail.hanse.de with smtp for <cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de> id <m0vB5BF-0004fFC@mail.hanse.de>; Wed, 9 Oct 96 21:24 MET Received: from ms85 ([206.29.170.1]) by fta.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00251; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:19:26 -0700 Sender: brantk@fta.com Message-Id: <325C0934.24AE@fta.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 13:21:08 -0700 From: Brant Katkansky <bmk@fta.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> Cc: Mark Diekhans <markd@Grizzly.COM>, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alt/Meta-Key problems/ pty problem? References: <22875.844886162@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Meta-keys for curses emacs are 8-bit characters. By default, syscons doesn't > > generate them for the alt key. The kbdcontrol control command can be used > > Is THAT why. I, for one, would love to see it do that by Default! > This is sort of related... I'd love to be able to change the key mappings under XFree86 so that my function keys behave like the L? keys on my Sun. I've figured out how to do this under Solaris x86, but I can't get it to fly under FreeBSD. Any suggestions? From lutzifer!time.cdrom.com!jkh Wed Oct 9 23:46:02 1996 Return-Path: <lutzifer!time.cdrom.com!jkh> Received: from lutzifer.UUCP by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15608; Wed, 9 Oct 96 23:45:59 +0200 Received: from time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226] by mail.hanse.de with smtp for <cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de> id <m0vB3V4-0004fCC@mail.hanse.de>; Wed, 9 Oct 96 19:36 MET Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA22877; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:36:02 -0700 (PDT) To: Mark Diekhans <markd@Grizzly.COM> Cc: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alt/Meta-Key problems/ pty problem? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:27:11 PDT." <199610091527.IAA01019@osprey.grizzly.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 11:36:02 -0700 Message-Id: <22875.844886162@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> Status: RO > Meta-keys for curses emacs are 8-bit characters. By default, syscons doesn't > generate them for the alt key. The kbdcontrol control command can be used Is THAT why. I, for one, would love to see it do that by Default! Soooooreeeeen? :-) Jordan From lutzifer!osprey.grizzly.com!markd Wed Oct 9 18:14:36 1996 Return-Path: <lutzifer!osprey.grizzly.com!markd> Received: from lutzifer.UUCP by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14712; Wed, 9 Oct 96 18:14:35 +0200 Received: from scruz.net [165.227.1.2] by mail.hanse.de with smtp for <cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de> id <m0vB0YS-0004fCC@mail.hanse.de>; Wed, 9 Oct 96 16:28 MET Received: from osprey.grizzly.com by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id IAA01280; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from markd@localhost) by osprey.grizzly.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA01022; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610091527.IAA01022@osprey.grizzly.com> From: Mark Diekhans <markd@Grizzly.COM> To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de In-Reply-To: <9610091039.AA13572@wavehh.hanse.de> (cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de) Subject: Re: Alt/Meta-Key problems/ pty problem? Status: RO Here is the keyboard file. Use: kbdcontrol -l emacs.kbd to enable it... # alt # scan cntrl alt alt cntrl lock # code base shift cntrl shift alt shift cntrl shift state # ------------------------------------------------------------------ 000 nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop O 001 esc esc esc esc esc esc debug esc O 002 '1' '!' nop nop 0xb1 0xa1 nop nop O 003 '2' '@' nul nul 0xb2 0xc0 nul nul O 004 '3' '#' nop nop 0xb3 0xa3 nop nop O 005 '4' '$' nop nop 0xb4 0xa4 nop nop O 006 '5' '%' nop nop 0xb5 0xa5 nop nop O 007 '6' '^' rs rs 0xb6 0xde rs rs O 008 '7' '&' nop nop 0xb7 0xa6 nop nop O 009 '8' '*' nop nop 0xb8 0xaa nop nop O 010 '9' '(' nop nop 0xb9 0xa8 nop nop O 011 '0' ')' nop nop 0xb0 0xa9 nop nop O 012 '-' '_' ns ns 0xad 0xdf ns ns O 013 '=' '+' nop nop 0xbd 0xab nop nop O 014 bs bs del del bs bs del del O 015 ht btab nop nop ht btab nop nop O 016 'q' 'Q' dc1 dc1 0xf1 0xd1 dc1 dc1 C 017 'w' 'W' etb etb 0xf7 0xd7 etb etb C 018 'e' 'E' enq enq 0xe5 0xc5 enq enq C 019 'r' 'R' dc2 dc2 0xf2 0xd2 dc2 dc2 C 020 't' 'T' dc4 dc4 0xf4 0xd4 dc4 dc4 C 021 'y' 'Y' em em 0xf9 0xd9 em em C 022 'u' 'U' nak nak 0xf5 0xd5 nak nak C 023 'i' 'I' ht ht 0xe9 0xc9 ht ht C 024 'o' 'O' si si 0xef 0xcf si si C 025 'p' 'P' dle dle 0xf0 0xd0 dle dle C 026 '[' '{' esc esc 0xdb 0xfb esc esc O 027 ']' '}' gs gs 0xdd 0xfd gs gs O 028 cr cr nl nl cr cr nl nl O 029 lctrl lctrl lctrl lctrl lctrl lctrl lctrl lctrl O 030 'a' 'A' soh soh 0xe1 0xc1 soh soh C 031 's' 'S' dc3 dc3 0xf3 0xd3 dc3 dc3 C 032 'd' 'D' eot eot 0xe4 0xc4 eot eot C 033 'f' 'F' ack ack 0xe6 0xc6 ack ack C 034 'g' 'G' bel bel 0xe7 0xc7 bel bel C 035 'h' 'H' bs bs 0xe8 0xc8 bs bs C 036 'j' 'J' nl nl 0xea 0xca nl nl C 037 'k' 'K' vt vt 0xeb 0xcb vt vt C 038 'l' 'L' ff ff 0xec 0xcc ff ff C 039 ';' ':' nop nop 0xbb 0xba nop nop O 040 ''' '"' nop nop 0xa7 0xa2 nop nop O 041 '`' '~' nop nop 0xe0 0xfe nop nop O 042 lshift lshift lshift lshift lshift lshift lshift lshift O 043 '\' '|' fs fs 0xdc 0xfc fs fs O 044 'z' 'Z' sub sub 0xfa 0xda sub sub C 045 'x' 'X' can can 0xf8 0xd8 can can C 046 'c' 'C' etx etx 0xe3 0xc3 etx etx C 047 'v' 'V' syn syn 0xf6 0xd6 syn syn C 048 'b' 'B' stx stx 0xe2 0xc2 stx stx C 049 'n' 'N' so so 0xee 0xce so so C 050 'm' 'M' cr cr 0xed 0xcd cr cr C 051 ',' '<' nop nop 0xac 0xbc nop nop O 052 '.' '>' nop nop 0xae 0xbe nop nop O 053 '/' '?' nop nop 0xaf 0xbf nop nop O 054 rshift rshift rshift rshift rshift rshift rshift rshift O 055 '*' '*' nscr nscr 0xaa 0xaa nscr nscr O 056 lalt lalt lalt lalt lalt lalt lalt lalt O 057 ' ' ' ' nul ' ' 0xa0 0xa0 130 ' ' O 058 clock clock clock clock clock clock clock clock O 059 fkey01 fkey13 fkey25 fkey37 scr01 scr11 scr01 scr11 O 060 fkey02 fkey14 fkey26 fkey38 scr02 scr12 scr02 scr12 O 061 fkey03 fkey15 fkey27 fkey39 scr03 scr13 scr03 scr13 O 062 fkey04 fkey16 fkey28 fkey40 scr04 scr14 scr04 scr14 O 063 fkey05 fkey17 fkey29 fkey41 scr05 scr15 scr05 scr15 O 064 fkey06 fkey18 fkey30 fkey42 scr06 scr16 scr06 scr16 O 065 fkey07 fkey19 fkey31 fkey43 scr07 scr07 scr07 scr07 O 066 fkey08 fkey20 fkey32 fkey44 scr08 scr08 scr08 scr08 O 067 fkey09 fkey21 fkey33 fkey45 scr09 scr09 scr09 scr09 O 068 fkey10 fkey22 fkey34 fkey46 scr10 scr10 scr10 scr10 O 069 nlock nlock nlock nlock nlock nlock nlock nlock O 070 slock slock slock slock slock slock slock slock O 071 fkey49 '7' '7' '7' 0xb7 0xb7 '7' '7' N 072 fkey50 '8' '8' '8' 0xb8 0xb8 '8' '8' N 073 fkey51 '9' '9' '9' 0xb9 0xb9 '9' '9' N 074 fkey52 '-' '-' '-' 0xad 0xad '-' '-' N 075 fkey53 '4' '4' '4' 0xb4 0xb4 '4' '4' N 076 nop '5' '5' '5' 0xb5 0xb5 '5' '5' N 077 fkey55 '6' '6' '6' 0xb6 0xb6 '6' '6' N 078 fkey56 '+' '+' '+' 0xab 0xab '+' '+' N 079 fkey57 '1' '1' '1' 0xb1 0xb1 '1' '1' N 080 fkey58 '2' '2' '2' 0xb2 0xb2 '2' '2' N 081 fkey59 '3' '3' '3' 0xb3 0xb3 '3' '3' N 082 fkey60 '0' '0' '0' 0xb0 0xb0 '0' '0' N 083 del '.' del del del del boot del N 084 nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop O 085 nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop O 086 nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop O 087 fkey11 fkey23 fkey35 fkey47 scr11 scr11 scr11 scr11 O 088 fkey12 fkey24 fkey36 fkey48 scr12 scr12 scr12 scr12 O 089 cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr O 090 rctrl rctrl rctrl rctrl rctrl rctrl rctrl rctrl O 091 '/' '/' '/' '/' 0xaf 0xaf '/' '/' O 092 nscr nop debug nop nop nop nop nop O 093 ralt ralt ralt ralt ralt ralt ralt ralt O 094 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 fkey49 O 095 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 fkey50 O 096 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 fkey51 O 097 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 fkey53 O 098 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 fkey55 O 099 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 fkey57 O 100 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 fkey58 O 101 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 fkey59 O 102 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 fkey60 O 103 fkey54 fkey54 fkey54 fkey54 fkey54 fkey54 boot fkey54 O 104 slock slock slock slock slock slock slock slock O 105 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 O 106 fkey62 fkey62 fkey62 fkey62 fkey62 fkey62 fkey62 fkey62 O 107 fkey63 fkey63 fkey63 fkey63 fkey63 fkey63 fkey63 fkey63 O From lutzifer!osprey.grizzly.com!markd Wed Oct 9 18:14:34 1996 Return-Path: <lutzifer!osprey.grizzly.com!markd> Received: from lutzifer.UUCP by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14705; Wed, 9 Oct 96 18:14:32 +0200 Received: from scruz.net [165.227.1.2] by mail.hanse.de with smtp for <cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de> id <m0vB0XL-0004fCC@mail.hanse.de>; Wed, 9 Oct 96 16:27 MET Received: from osprey.grizzly.com by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id IAA01243; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from markd@localhost) by osprey.grizzly.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA01019; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610091527.IAA01019@osprey.grizzly.com> From: Mark Diekhans <markd@Grizzly.COM> To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9610091039.AA13572@wavehh.hanse.de> (cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de) Subject: Re: Alt/Meta-Key problems/ pty problem? Status: RO >The problem occures on all non-native-X11 emacs instances, with >rlogin, telnet, on the system console etc. ... >If so, would you provide some hints where to get information on how >things should work? How do one use the Meta key in an application? How >is the key status transported trough the tty? How is responsible for >managing the status of the new modifier key: the pty, the keyboard >driver, the application, Elvis or who or what? Or is it just magic :-)? Meta-keys for curses emacs are 8-bit characters. By default, syscons doesn't generate them for the alt key. The kbdcontrol control command can be used to modify the characters generated by the keyboard. I will send you my keyboard file... Mark -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin_Cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de http://cracauer.cons.org Fax.: +4940 5228536 "As far as I'm concerned, if something is so complicated that you can't ex- plain it in 10 seconds, then it's probably not worth knowing anyway"- Calvin