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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!platinum.sge.net!como.dpie.gov.au!news.gan.net.au!act.news.telstra.net!vic.news.telstra.net!news.mira.net.au!news.vbc.net!vbcnet-west!knews.uk0.vbc.net!vbcnet-gb!idiscover.co.uk!news.areti.net!peernews.ftech.net!telehouse1.frontier-networks.co.uk!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!not-for-mail From: dillon@flea.best.net (Matt Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Network Performance Date: 27 Jun 1997 13:45:02 -0700 Organization: Best Internet Communications, Inc. - 415 964 BEST Lines: 68 Message-ID: <5p18oe$pjh$1@flea.best.net> References: <slrn5qngmn.ie2.jlc@mass-pc.wpi.edu> <5ouj75$ha0@mailsrv1> NNTP-Posting-Host: flea.best.net Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.networking:82788 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:43652 :>In article <slrn5qngmn.ie2.jlc@mass-pc.wpi.edu>, :> jlc@mass-pc.wpi.edu (Jennifer Carmack (don't delete -jeffs)) writes: :>> Greetings, :>> :> :>teehee - I think you just made yourself persona non grata among the :>more strident FreeBSD bigots. :> :>I like FreeBSD, and have a lot of respect for it's macho robust stability. :>But Linux has greater momentum, greater commercial interest and more energy. :> :>FreeBSD is great in the server room, but so is Linux. :>Linux is great on the desktop, but FreeBSD? :> :>Based on the way folks have voting with their wallets and vendors :>have been weighing in with ports, FreeBSD is unlikely to catch up. :> :>jjs God, talk about a troll! And here I am responding to it :-) I dunno. Many ISPs, us included, tend to use FreeBSD because it has a more formalized OS development environment ... one that makes it easy for ISPs to keep their systems maintained in the face of ongoing development. That and it's absolutely rock solid. Linux's networking is certainly not superior... I don't know WHERE the original poster got that idea from. It's about the same, now. FreeBSD does not have performance problems... I can max-out a 10BaseT without even trying. And my desktop box is running FreeBSD, thank you very much :-) I still recommend linux to a lot of people, because it tends to do a better job coexisting with DOS/Windows (aka disk partitioning) and will run on the oddest hardware combinations. These requirements, however, do not apply to ISPs or any other entity that purchases it's server hardware rather then reuse old junk. I recommend FreeBSD to anyone who is serious about running a rock solid server under heavy load and keeping it maintained. -- The real question that we face is what to do about microsoft. NT is a major threat to UNIX, and I for one do not want to hand off a microsoft dominated world to my future kids. They are the epitomy of inelegance, bloat, and badly designed and buggy software. Yet most UNIX vendors are still missing the boat in the clue department. They are fighting over a smaller and smaller piece of turf and more pieces get ripped out from under them every day. They are loosing to the Free UNIX's by not keeping their APIs and support utilities up to date and charging for stupid features that can be had for free elsewhere, they have lost most of their base hardware market to workstation and server quality PC's (at least SUN has realized that and ships Solaris for PC platforms!). Compared to that, FreeBSD and linux are like a breath of fresh air, and the 'support-without-support' is fifty times better. The more and more FreeBSD boxes we install, the less and less stressful my life becomes. Personally, I don't think the commercial UNIX vendors have a chance, except perhaps SUN if they clue in. So, assuming the commercial UNIX vendors go poof, what do WE do about microcruft and winblows ? (and you will notice that I am not posting to a windows group. This is a serious question!). -Matt