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From: dillon@flea.best.net (Matt Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Network Performance
Date: 27 Jun 1997 13:45:02 -0700
Organization: Best Internet Communications, Inc. - 415 964 BEST
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:>In article <slrn5qngmn.ie2.jlc@mass-pc.wpi.edu>,
:>	jlc@mass-pc.wpi.edu (Jennifer Carmack (don't delete -jeffs)) writes:
:>> Greetings,
:>> 
:>
:>teehee - I think you just made yourself persona non grata among the
:>more strident FreeBSD bigots.
:>
:>I like FreeBSD, and have a lot of respect for it's macho robust stability.
:>But Linux has greater momentum, greater commercial interest and more energy.
:>
:>FreeBSD is great in the server room, but so is Linux.
:>Linux is great on the desktop, but FreeBSD? 
:>
:>Based on the way folks have voting with their wallets and vendors
:>have been weighing in with ports, FreeBSD is unlikely to catch up.
:> 
:>jjs

    God, talk about a troll!  And here I am responding to it :-)

    I dunno.  Many ISPs, us included, tend to use FreeBSD because it has 
    a more formalized OS development environment ... one that makes it easy 
    for ISPs to keep their systems maintained in the face of ongoing 
    development.  That and it's absolutely rock solid.  Linux's networking
    is certainly not superior... I don't know WHERE the original poster
    got that idea from.  It's about the same, now.  FreeBSD does not
    have performance problems... I can max-out a 10BaseT without even
    trying.

    And my desktop box is running FreeBSD, thank you very much :-) 

    I still recommend linux to a lot of people, because it tends 
    to do a better job coexisting with DOS/Windows (aka disk partitioning)
    and will run on the oddest hardware combinations.  These requirements,
    however, do not apply to ISPs or any other entity that purchases it's
    server hardware rather then reuse old junk.  I recommend FreeBSD to
    anyone who is serious about running a rock solid server under heavy
    load and keeping it maintained.

    --

    The real question that we face is what to do about microsoft.  NT is
    a major threat to UNIX, and I for one do not want to hand off a
    microsoft dominated world to my future kids.  They are the epitomy of
    inelegance, bloat, and badly designed and buggy software.

    Yet most UNIX vendors are still missing the boat in the clue department.
    They are fighting over a smaller and smaller piece of turf and more
    pieces get ripped out from under them every day.  They are loosing to
    the Free UNIX's by not keeping their APIs and support utilities up to date
    and charging for stupid features that can be had for free elsewhere,
    they have lost most of their base hardware market to workstation and 
    server quality PC's (at least SUN has realized that and ships Solaris 
    for PC platforms!).  

    Compared to that, FreeBSD and linux are like a breath of fresh air,
    and the 'support-without-support' is fifty times better.  The more and
    more FreeBSD boxes we install, the less and less stressful my life
    becomes.  Personally, I don't think the commercial UNIX vendors have
    a chance, except perhaps SUN if they clue in.

    So, assuming  the commercial UNIX vendors go poof, what do WE do about
    microcruft and winblows ?  (and you will notice that I am not posting
    to a windows group.  This is a serious question!).

					-Matt