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Received: by minnie.vk1xwt.ampr.org with NNTP id AA6923 ; Fri, 15 Jan 93 10:39:08 EST Xref: sserve comp.org.eff.talk:11603 comp.unix.bsd:10041 comp.unix.wizards:28230 comp.org.usenix:3095 Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.wizards,comp.org.usenix Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!gardner From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) Subject: Re: BSDI/USL Lawsuit -- More Bad News for Human Beings... Sender: usenet@news.eng.convex.com (news access account) Message-ID: <1993Jan17.020030.11728@news.eng.convex.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 02:00:30 GMT References: <BZS.93Jan14203519@world.std.com> <1343@eplunix.UUCP> Nntp-Posting-Host: imagine.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 44 In article <1343@eplunix.UUCP> das@eplunix.UUCP (David Steffens) writes: >In article <BZS.93Jan14203519@world.std.com>, >bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes: >> There has been some speculation as to whether or not USL would try to >> extend this suit to control individuals who have ever had access to >> the Unix sources. ... their latest legal filing leaves >> little doubt that the worst fears have now been confirmed... > >We programmers have no one to blame for this but ourselves. >For years we have been screaming for more and better laws and enforcement >of licensing, copyright, patents, etc. Everyone and her sister wants >"intellectual property" protection (an oxymoron if ever there was one). Yes. Thank you for saying this. >When ideas become "property", _everyone_ loses! So it goes... The whole concept of intellectual property is so damned dishonest. Of all the cockamamie ideas to come out of the legal profession "intellectual property" has to be the most fraudulent. It purports to protect inventors. What a fraud! How can anyone fall for it? I can only conclude that the people who champion it a) either haven't fully considered the ramifications or b) that they are not the creators of technical innovations themselves and hope to suck the blood from those who DO create for a living. How any engineer or scientist could be in favor of a system that means that *someone else* could own the contents of their brain is beyond me. Do they harbor the myth that somehow they will be allowed to own ideas they come up with? This is ridiculous. Folks, Thomas Alva Edison is LONG DEAD. Inventions are created by engineers and scientists and OWNED by boards of directors. Engineers don't even get a piece of the action (i.e. a percentage) in 99% of the cases. Where is the justice here? How can technical people be so easily mislead into supporting this fraud. smg